He is a young and very smart British photographer.  He sent me this: Links to the episode: Youtube: https://youtu.be/4nMg0Qg7KRI Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2wDyCaXhGN5ruN1SNkcaBt?si=3c054eb0396f4787 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/watson-howland/id1813625992?i=1000724051310 Jacob’s episode summary is at the first link.